None of my business

So, I'm still at TMI - still missing my wife - and still reading through "A New Kind of Christian". It's a very interesting read. One of the chapters today was called, "It's none of your business who goes to hell?"

Also, it was a very interesting series of arguments that followed.

Essentially, McLaren says we get so concerned with getting everyone into heaven, but what if that's not the ultimate goal, but rather a by-product? What if living out your purpose in Christ is what you're supposed to be doing and heaven/hell is merely a by-product?

So, we just need to serve people and let God sort out the rest - don't worry about their (or our eternity). Just do what we need to do. If we were needed to be a judge, I'm sure we would have been apointed such.

What I'm realizing (read: what I'm coming to terms with) is that I have a lot of 'knowledge' about Christianity. Much of it, however, is Christianity with the spin of how people have lived for the past 500 years (i.e. intellectualism, scientific answers to question). In other words, my understanding is by no means pure. It's Christianity inside the envelope of modernism.

Time to open it up.

Grace.

PS (Jennifer): I'm not familiar with Christian Hedonism . . . so I'll have to read up on it. For the rest of your question, that may be the next post.

Gotta go down before you go up

Short post: I'm at the elective interview at Territorial Music Institute.

But on the way here, today, I was reading "A New Kind of Christian" by Brian McLaren. Interesting point that was made.

If you're on a mountain peak, and you want to go up to a higher one, you first have to come down from the lower before you can go up the higher . . .

Grace.

Coming Soon

Well, Camp, for me, is over. Hallelujah. Kids were great, staff was great, God blessed it . . . that is all. Not to say it wasn't without it's issues - pray for our recuperation.

Now, I'm not quite back to my regular blogging schedule. I've still got our Territorial Music Institute coming up for the next 10 days - not sure that I'll have much blogging time there. But soon I'll be able to think again.

For those of you that know, or care, I'm one of the ones that have been dealing with the thoughts that worship may, in fact, have nothing to do with what we like, and everything to do with what God likes. No reason for me to hide that. I believe it.

One of the questions asked of me is "Why would God reject my offering?" If I offer my sacrifice to God from my heart, then He should accept it.

There's a lot to consider. As I start to write all this, I realize that it's probably too much to get into at the moment . . . . here's a synopsis:

Worship is our actions that speak to God of His value. It doesn't necessarily speak of how valuable he is TO US - but rather how much we value HIM (there's a big difference in those two statements, I hope you can see it).

Worship is not just singing. Neither is it simply praying. Neither is it speaking to God how much He's worth.

Exodus 8:1 is one of the versus where God tells Moses to go tell Pharaoh to "Let my people go" but it doesn't stop there . . . the reason God wants them let go is different depending on what version you read - some say worship God, others say work for God.

• Let my people go so that they can worship me
• Let my peopel go so that they can work for (serve) me.

Working for God is neither singing, dancing, speaking, or praying - but it is worship. In essence, worship is our 24-hour-a-day statement that God 'reviews' and puts whatever priority he deems fitting on. Our track record speaks of what we love - it is our belief in action because of who GOD IS, and in the processing supporting (or not supporting?) what we say we believe.

(I know - it sounds like salvation through works. It's not. Faith without works is dead. It's still faith, it's just dead faith. I put that priority part in for this very purpose - He PROBABLY puts more weight on our BELIEFS but He certainly still considers our actions too - it's all one big offereing).

Praise is a different thing - it's more about what God has done for US - here's my major concern: WE'RE SO TIED UP THINKING ABOUT WHAT MORE GOD CAN DO FOR US THAT WE SEEM TO MISS THAT HIS DESIRES AND EVEN THE DESIRES OF OTHER PEOPLE SHOULD COME BEFORE OURS; THAT WE ARE SELF-CENTERED CHRISTIANS.

Egocentric Christians . . . . now there's an oxy moron.

The only other point I wish to make is this. God often rejected offerings. Cain comes to mind quickly - his insufficient offering paled in comparison to his brothers. Also, interestingly, in Amos 5, see this:

²¹ "I hate, I despise your religious feasts;
I cannot stand your assemblies.

²² Even though you bring me burnt offerings and grain offerings,
I will not accept them.
Though you bring choice fellowship offerings, ^[b]
I will have no regard for them.

²³ Away with the noise of your songs!
I will not listen to the music of your harps.

²⁴ But let justice roll on like a river,
righteousness like a never-failing stream!

Just because they're done FOR God, essentially, doesn't mean he wants what you're bringing. Worship, without letting justice roll on like a river, and righteousness like a never-failing stream, seems like it is turned away.

Maybe I'm interpreting that incorrectly.

Grace.

Recant

Words can be very deceiving. Please understand that, through my last posts I did not intend to offend - but I assumed that it probably would just because of the way we Christians are. Also interesting is that Christ came, in his words, to bring division.

The longer we bicker about our denomination directives, the longer we're wasting time that we could be spending serving others or worshipping God.

Someday we will all be united - not he United Church of God - small 'u' united.

I apologize if I offended. That said . . . agreeing to disagree perhaps not such a bad thing.

Recommended reading: A Generous Orthodoxy, Brian McLaren.

Exactly what I thought would happen.

Interesting comment on my last post. Exactly what I hoped would happen, deep down in the perverse sections of mind, but interesting nonetheless.

Carefully reading my statements, you will see that I did not, in fact say that we should all be Catholic, but rather that we should be catholic. The former is a denomination. The latter is a state of unity. But it perfectly illustrates the lack of understanding or concern that we seem to have for each other, in the brotherhood of God. I'm not at all suggesting that we return to any particular roots. I'm suggesting that God knows exactly what He's doing by telling us to love one another, to encourage each other, and to work together for His glory instead of furthering our kingdoms.

Just like there was salvation before the Salvation Army, the state of being catholic existed before the Roman Catholic church.

Despite what we may think about particular denominations within the body, our DIRECTIVE from God is that we make EVERY effort to keep the bond of unity.

I apologize for deliberately leading this conversation directly into the lion's den. It's a little thing I like to do. For future reference please remember: Catholic=denomination, catholic=unified Army of God working to extend his kingdom on earth.

Blessings to catholic Christians everywhere!

Grace.

A Long Break

It, again, has been way too long.

Camp is going very well - don't really expect much to change.

I said the other day during a conversation that we should all be catholic. The response was something to the effect of, "Yeah, whatever" followed by a number of other interestingly-worded statements that I don't care to mention.

Us protestants, why do we think it's OK to keep protesting? And what are we protesting over? I understand the Lutheran split, I think . . . but it's become way to silly hasn't it?

In any case, I can't help but go back to the idea in Ephesians to make every effort to keep the bond of peace through the spirit of unity.

Why we gotta hate?

Infighting = Cancer

There have been some things happening that have made me think about infighting in the body of Christ. Isn't it cancer when a body turns against itself?

I can't imagine that something as horrible as cancer belongs in the perfect body of Christ. Infighting = death.

Grace.

At Camp

So, I'm at camp - and will get very little time to acutally post much - especially interesting stuff. But my wife found this today, and I couldn't let it go. It's pretty amazing.

"If sinners will be damned, at least let them leap to Hell over our bodies. And if they will perish, let them perish with our arms about their knees, imploring them to stay. If Hell must be filled, at least let it be filled in the teeth of our exertions, and let not one go there unwarned or unprayed for."

Charles Haddon Spurgeon

Grace.

Open Doors

God is reall y doing some neat stuff as it relates to opening doors for Kristy and I . . . in life, in minsitry, it is pretty amazing to sit and watch it all unfold. Granted, makes it difficult to decipher what it is that HE wants us to do in all of that . . . but it's interesting to see the options.

That's all on that.

The other interesting thing is something that I wanted to mention earlier but didn't get a chance. The concept of the "miracle of reception" or receiving. I don't know where it came from other than to say it was a theoretical thing that came up at a rehearsal the other day. Basically, we were talking about watching horribly-peformed performances that just bless your heart beyond belief. That THAT is a miracle of reception. God lets you see through the junk to the real heart of the matter - the heart of the offering.

Maybe it's not so much a miracle as much as it is a choice. Its about enouraging others in their worship. God blesses you through it.

It's a pretty neat concept that I plan to put on my list of things to research.

Grace.

Alone

I'm in Atlanta. The Territorial Songsters are singing at our Family Conference.

There's a song called 'Give Thanks Unto the Lord" that we're doing, and have been rehearsing like crazy. Stan Colbert, an Army Officer, is our fearless leader - an incredible musician, and a great spiritual inspiration - I have referred to him as a guru in the past.

What I love about him is that he brings spritual moments out of many things that you would never think. In the lyrics, there is a section that says "Give thanks unto the Lord who alone doeth great wonders."

Stan said that he wanted us to really bring out the "...who alone..." because it was basically the message of the song.

Who alone . . . He doesn't need us. But He chooses people. It helped me worship. His majesty, my mistakes.

Grace.

Motivation

I want to be able to motivate people to do something useful and be less self-interested. How does one do that?

To Do List

There's a couple of things that I want to do:

1. Write a book - I'm about ready to start this one . . . I think.
2. Make T-Shirts
3. (At least learn how to) start a business
4. Find out what it's like to sleep on the streets
5. Be content with what I have, knowing full-well that I have a lot, even if it doesn't seem like I have a lot.
   

In a Strange Sea

I recently heard, for the first time, Out of my League, by Stephen Speaks. Good tune. WITH a fantastic line . . .

"It's frightening to be
Swimming in this strange sea
But I'd rather be here than on land."

The song is a love song. But that one line captures, I think, the essence of my life at the moment. As long as I've been here in the US, it's still a strange sea to me. I've been married for 7 months or something now, it's fantastic, but it's different than the other 24 years of my life.

Beats not being swimming though.

Grace.

Husbands submit . . . .

Chris Retz, whom has been in contact after he stumbled across my blog, recently sent me some CDs. One is of himself presenting a message, the others are of Brent Avery, founder of MEM Ministries.

I've just started to listen to these CDs - starting with the first of Brent Avery's. It's real interesting stuff - basically showing how Christ (and baptism specifically in this first part of his message) runs through all of scripture, from the first verse to the end. He even delves into the old hebrew and shows where the inspired word of God makes reference to Christ . . . very interesting stuff, which, once I finish listening to the whole thing I'll comment more on.

But he made some VERY interesting points, right at the end of his first sermon. He was talking about Adam, and how an old Jewish tradition says that Adam's sin was different than Eve's. Eve, it says, was deceived. But, in what is one of the very first foreshadowings of Christ in Scripture, Adam CHOSE to eat, knowing that the only way that he could be connected to his wife was to lay down his life in this way. Holy smokes . . . talk about humble pie.

And later, in Ephesians, it says to love your wife just as Christ loved the Church. I know the bible is the only inspired word of God. It'd be nice if he did more, but, man, when God inspires, he REALLY inspires. It's very interesting to hear about some of these connections.

I'm sure there will be more to come. Thanks Chris for the material.

Grace.

SNICKERDOODLE COFFEE

Oh wonder of wonders!

I got my hair cut today. You may have guessed that's NOT the excited news. On the way back, I decided to stop into a little coffee shop that I've passed many, many times but never visited. Hold this thought . . . .

A little background: Tilden - you'll know him from the recent wedding photo that was posted here - would always bring back Snickerdoodle flavored coffee from Philadelphia - he'd bring it to the office and we would all rejoice. However, that's a long commute when you run OUT of snickerdoodle coffee.

BUT, Dilworth Coffee House, of Charlotte, NC - much CLOSER than Philadelphia - ALSO SELLS SNICKERDOODLE COFFEE!!!!

I'm a little excited. I can't wait to tell Tilden!

AND, it's a WI-FI hotspot.

Grace.

Corporate Worship

Can anyone tell me where it is that we are commanded to participate in corporate worship?

Make EVERY Effort

Unity is a command. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Right there, loud and clear, it reads, "Always keep yourselves united in the Holy Spirit, and bind yourselves together with peace." It even gives rationale: "We are all one body."

Division is about disunity at it's core. It can be rationalized using styles or preferences or tastes, but it boils down to disunity. Perhaps what continues to be an arguemnt is based on our misgivings about worship - if we TRULY understood what it is, this may in fact not be a debate whatsoever.

Praise & Worship - are not the same thing. When we have a "time of praise & worship" we're actually trying to accomplish two things at once - but one thing RARELY gets done. We do a truckload of praising and very little worshipping. Worshipping is our actions, our expressions, of God's unequaled character. Nothing about US enters into the equation. In Teaching Kids Authentic Worship, the author says that we only worship when there are no personal pronouns present. I like that. It's ALL about God. I think she's completely correct in what she says, and may ADULTS can learn a lot from reading that book.

She says that Praise & Thanksgiving are by-products, VALUABLE by-products, of worship. Lets just not confuse those things. Praise and Thanksgiving ARE NOT worship. They depend on what God has done for us personally - Worship is ALL ABOUT HIM. Praise and Worship, then, may be affected a little more by personal flavor. But, maybe not Worship.

I'm quickly realizing that a lack of unity is not the problem in Churches wrestling with splitting. The glue that CAN hold us together is a common worship of God. Since a clear definition of worship has gotten away from us, the glue doesn't stick that well.

In the protestant church that's a hallmark of who we have come to be though, hasn't it? We don't like something, so we split. We talk about how there's absolute truth - apparently there's just 1000 different versions of it. Martin Luther was probably right in protesting some of the Catholic practises of his day, but I think we may have taken his lead just a little two far.

My prayer is that we can all be united - somehow. In a setting where, not only will traditional vs. contemporary not matter, it will be irrelevant. The western thought that our church "service" can meet EVERYBODIES needs, is pretty messed up. First of all, we don't have any needs as Christians (see 2 Peter 1:3). Secondly, no one is getting saved in church. "Evangelism" also happens outside of 'Worship'.

We're a body - yup, we have parts. I wonder, though, if we really need to divide all the way down to the cellular level. How far is too far? (<- Didn't think I'd ask THAT question about church division!). My concern is that we aren't making EVERY effort keep the body together. EVERY EFFORT!!!

Perhaps there's a better way.

Grace.

TWOnity - Unity Continued

I will eventually get to how I think all this ties back to unity in the body - and eventually what unity in the body looks like. But I'm still stuck on my understanding of worship. As promised, here's a bit more, involving Abraham, Isaac, and David.

OK - lets start with Abraham - I should say that a lot this was directly inspired by an article on Experiencing Worship, written by Rob Parsley. The first time that the Hebrew word, 'shachah', is translated as 'worship' in the Bible comes from the story of Abraham and Isaac. This is the OBVIOUS biblical introduction to worship - though many people worshipped before - if you're looking up worship, the is the first place at which you arrive.

After finally fathering a child with his wife Sarah, God says to sacrifice him. Wow. This is a guy who has been promised to be the FATHER of a great nation of people Talk about a legacy. It is relatively more difficult to do that if you have to kill your only son. But there's no rebuttal - Abraham knows what he must do.

Once Mount Moriah is in front of them, Abraham and Isaac continue alone - no servants. Here it is: Abraham says to them, "We will worship and then we will come back to you." (Gen 22:4) Of course you know that Isaac lives - sorry to give away the ending to those of you unfamiliar - and God provides a ram for sacrifice.

Worship, then, is about, at least in part, SACRIFICE. Abraham was willing to give up EXACTLY that which God had given Him - the blessing that God poured out on Him, he was willing to give back. Abraham must not have had ANY pleasure in this - this was his son whom he loved as only a father can love his son.

I wonder, then, how much I'm willing to sacrifice. If I go to church and they don't sing my song, does that mean that I don't worship, or does it mean that I'm making some regal sacrifice: "Well I went to church and they didn't sing any of my songs - God must be well-pleased with my worship!"

This is from the author of that article I mentioned: "When we make the choice to worship God, we are emptying ourselves of our own rights and will and surrendering ourselves to Him. Worship is the foremost act of sacrifice. It proclaims death to our self."

Perhaps corporate worship is different. I don't think so, but maybe someone has that arguement. Corporate worship, as we understand it (i.e. going to church and singing songs and reading scripture . . . you all know what they do at church), seems like such a contradiction of terms to me, if you're arguing that people 'all worship differently'. Here's what I mean - people worship differently - they come to a place where they can worship differently together. They only 'corporate' part is that they're all in the same building. The corporate part implies together - the worship part (if everyone worships in their own way) implies apart.

Worship at its core is not different from person to person. There are endless expressions of it. But there should only be one motivation - the Lordship of God. Granted we may be aware of that Lordship whether we're being blessed or being tested, through times of comfort, or of loss, but the base motivation is always present when someone chooses to worship.

David also said something very cool - and I'm not entirely sure how I've missed it for all of these years. BUT, here goes. After realizing a grave sin, David wanted to make a sacrifice (<- key word) but had no animal. An owner of a nearby 'threshing floor' was willing to give David whatever he wanted, but DAVID said this: "No, I insist on paying the full price. I will not take for the LORD what is yours, or sacrifice a burnt offering that costs me nothing."

HOW did I miss that? I will not sacrifice a burnt offering that costs me nothing. That in itself is a fantastic blog post - we're SO used to getting a lot for nothing: on Uncle Bill's tab.

In any case, King David realized that a sacrifice, by definition, has cost. The question is what does my worship cost me? I'm not rich, I'm not poor, I've got enough that's for sure (<- Old Mother's Day recitation - reliving my childhood, sorry). I've certainly got enough to sacrifice. I'm in the top 1% of incomes in the world (Global Rich List)!

Alright . . . I think I've set it up well enough. Next time, I deal with unity in the body of Christ.

Grace.

Congratulations

Some of the coolest people - and some of our best friends - in the world!

YAY - Tilden and Stephanie are MARRIED! We love you guys!

Grace.

Unity - Like you didn't know it was coming

As some of you may have already suspected, I've been thinking a lot about unity in the body of Christ over the past few days, and specifically how it relates to our worship.

First I should say that I don't like any of the terms that we've chosen to use to describe typical church worship services (e.g. blended, contemporary, traditional, etc). I think they're all wrong. I think they promote an interpretation of worship that has nothing to do with what worship is. Let me say also, that I don't know what worship is - and so that I'm actively trying to figure it out.

I have been quoted as saying (Marty) that "We have done to the word Worship, what we have done to the word CHURCH." That is, church is not the building - or never was intended to be, but if you say CHURCH to just about anyone, the first thing they think about is a nice building with a nice steeple, announcing that, if you're a Christian, come join us. We have similarly perverted the word worship. Worship can include, but is not limited to singing praises and lifting hands - I'm sick of hearing that definition. I'm also quite tired of hearing about how we worship differently. I think we do worship differently from each other - just not in the way that most people describe. I believe that worship, at it's heart, cannot be described as an event, in the temporal sense. Not even as a lifestyle.

Worship is the ACTIONS (yes, worship is a VERB - an ACTION word) resulting from our conceptualization of what/who we value. That is, if we believe that money is the most important thing, the most deserving thing, than our actions will reflect that concept. Our attempts to acquire more money will reflect that concept. Our attempts to guard the money we already have will reflect that concept. The words that we choose to use, the decisions that we make, the way that we live our life will reflect it.

This same idea also reveals where many other concepts are on our scale of worth - for example, if you love money and but hate peanut butter (hypothetically speaking) your actions will reflect that dislike. I . . . I mean, one who hates peanut butter will say that thy don't like it, they won't buy it, they'll avoid it at all costs, etc.

It's important to note that the ACTIONS are both ACTIVE & PASSIVE. We we actively choose to do and what we PASSIVELY do without much thought at all will both indicate where our love is, and to what degree that love is.

Now, if we love God, our actions (both passive & active) will reflect that love. It seems too trivial though to 'love' God. We also need to have a concept of Him as Lord. We also need a concept of Him as master, as saviour of the world, as healer, as friend, as EVERYTHING that he is. Inherent in having these concepts, is that we will attribute value to each of them. If we had been healed of some terrible disease we may place more value on God's healing aspects than something else. If we never have heard God talk to us, God as FRIEND, may be of little value.

Our worship (actions) reflect those feelings, whether we like it or not.

God really is more than someone who makes us feel good once a week when we sing a song that we like. God is more than someone who sits back and waits for us to worship Him. God is NO LESS than LORD. We don't have an accurate concept of lordship - that may contribute to some of the confusion - I know it does to mine.

Now, I know what you're thinking . . . what does ANY of this have to do with Unity? Well, I'm getting there, but I fear that I'll have to put it in a different post - just to break it up a little.

But I will say that worship is NOT about getting what you want, or deserve, or have been promised, or what you like. Worship is not even about you and God.

Worship is about God. We're only involved because thats what we were created to do. I hate when I'm at work, or anywhere and I have to 'bribe' people to do their job. It's their job - they shouldn't need more convincing that's what they're supposed to do. But we require blessings and healings and loving and having our preferences met before we 'agree' to do the job that we were created to do.

Sorry, I'm ranting now - but I have to go on, that example sparked me up - as much as I'm still learinign about worship, I'm CONVINCED that God didn't want to create a choir or a drama troupe or a band that spend their time practicing to sing or act or play. He wanted to create people that would do unto others that which they would want done unto themselves. He created people that he intended to do whatever for the least of humanity. He created people who would honor Him by keeping his commands (*** Remember that bit for later).

So, I probably sound like I had a turd sandwich for lunch. I didn't. I had soup - very good soup.

Up next time - the examples of David and Abraham/Isaac as worshippers.

I've got to rest my fingers.

Grace.